Part Three in the “reworking my blog” series
Remember? I got my site reviewed by Men with Pens and promised to share all the neat stuff I learned with YOU.
Including what I’m taking from their useful advice, what parts I’m ignoring (even though maybe I shouldn’t), and why.
Just so we’re all clear … caveats, etc.
Remember how last time there was a bit of hullaballoo vocal discussion in the comments?
Well, even more landed in my inbox, and a couple of people who didn’t participate in the comments discussion didn’t realize that the advice I got from these lovely men (with pens!) was not completely random and unsolicited.
So I just wanted to say for the record:
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1. Solicited? Hell, yeah. I went and asked Men With Pens for this advice.
- 2. In fact, I paid them for it. Not much, admittedly. $30 is an absurdly low fee to get professionals to review your website, but it was a transaction all the same, one you can take advantage of too.
- 3. It is completely clear to me that I don’t have to take any of their smart advice — and that they knew I wouldn’t feel obliged to actually listen to them if I didn’t feel like it.
Alright. Boring part over. Let’s talk about my website and — by extension — yours, and the extremely sexy important theme of navigation.
Talking about navigation …
This is actually the main reason I dropped $30 on their drive-by shoot-up-your-website thing.
I have a tormented and passionate relationship (well, let’s say “love-hate with the emphasis on love”) with website navigation. Specifically with what to name the different pages on my site.
Yes, this is another post about wordishness. I can’t help it. Words make me happy. Or, depending on how they’re used, drive me nuts.
And so I spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about what to call things and why.
For some reason, this is fun for me.
You’ll notice that there are eight little links in the navigation bar up top. Men with Pens zeroed in precisely on the ones I was most unsure about. Keep in mind that I’ve made some changes since their review, some based on their suggestions and others not … but that’s not the point.
The point is that there are certain parts of the navigation that I feel 100% about, and others that were meh — and Men With Pens immediately picked up on that.
Awesome. Great minds and all that.
Basically they don’t like the ones that I don’t like, and — here’s where it gets interesting — for entirely different reasons.
Sometimes their reasons are better than mine — and sometimes their reasons help me understand more about my reasons.
Let’s start with the something we definitely do agree on.
Men with Pens:
The navigation titles aren’t clear enough to the average visitor happening by your blog.
This is probably true. In fact, I’m sure it is.
I mean, it’s true for almost every website I’ve ever been on, and no matter what you do, there are always going to be people who just don’t get it. But you do want as many people as possible to get it.
Especially the people who are your right clients — the ones you most want to help.
Figuring out how to speak to those right people in the navigation is one of the things that anyone building a website agonizes over — and then constantly tweaks.
My navigation titles have changed more often than anything else on my site in the past three years. Some for the better, some still not sure about. So yay! Bring it on.
Issue #1: “Is this you?”
“Is this you?”… Well, yes, this is me. What of it? I have no incentive to click through and I’m not sure what I’ll read if I do.
Okay, this was actually cramp-inducingly funny for me, because it was a big gigantic lightbulb moment of the kind every business owner absolutely needs. This thing called “perspective” is the weirdest, coolest thing ever.
Let me explain. In the world I come from (self-help-ey, yoga-ey, coach-ey work-on-your-stuff stuff), everyone says “Is this you?” on their websites. I can think of fifteen sites just off the top of my head that do this.
Saying “Is this you?” is so completely de rigeuer where I come from that it didn’t even occur to me that this isn’t at all true outside of those places.
In fact, I was completely expecting James and Harry to have issues with “Is this you?”. It’s just that what I was imagining that what they’d say was this:
[In my head, yes? Not in real life!]
“Come on, do you really have to be a boring blah-blah-freakity-blah cliche like everyone else?”
Huh? At first I didn’t even understand what they were getting at, but then I took a step back — oh, right. We don’t swim in the same pool. Men with Pens don’t hang out in the version of the online world that I hang out in. And really, why would they?
Oh, is there anything better than the realization (again!) that the world is so much bigger and full of possibility than the slice of it you happen to inhabit?
So: “Is this you” is standard formula in my industry. Do I like it? Meh. Not married to it. Am I going to change it?
Well, I’ve been trying “Might be you?”, but just not digging it. “Sound like you?” is kind of a big silent screw-you to anyone who is visually oriented, which is most people and also everyone I know.
Yeah. I don’t know what to call it. I do know that this page (and its place in the navigation) has two functions:
The first thing is to make it extra-clear exactly what kind of people my work is for. It’s my red velvet rope, to use a Michael Port-ism.
The second function is to give me a place to send people when they think they want to work with me but actually they don’t. Because when you’re a consultant people will sometimes just call you up and want to give you their money.
Doesn’t happen all the time, but it happens. And sometimes these are people who are just not a good fit for your business. Instead of having to have a time-wasting “get to know each other” initial consultation, you just point them back to your “Is this you?” page — and they figure it out.
I love this page (hey, wanna read it?). I’m absolutely willing to call it something else that will fill the same function, but in a way, this is the most important page on the site.
Open to suggestions!
Issue #2: “Working together”
“Working Together” also isn’t clear, and “How I Work With You” may be a better choice. “How We Work Together” is another alternative.
Done! Changed to “How we work together”. Thank you. That was super helpful and answered a big silent question of mine.
Love it.
Issue #3: “Get stuff”
Men with Pens were not crazy about the “Get stuff” category. And they have a point.
[Note: this is the section that (as of this writing) is called The “Store”.]
“Get Stuff.” What stuff? What is stuff? Clear that up again. “Free Goodies” might be a better choice (if the goodies are indeed, free). Everyone knows what that means.
“Get Stuff” also comes off as flat instead of lighthearted. “Free Stuff” is another choice.
Okay, this clearly isn’t clear. I was trying to be light-hearted. I was not trying to imply free stuff. This site is full of free stuff, but not there. In fact, it’s the one place that isn’t all free stuff.
Basically what I want is a word for “products” that isn’t products.
Because I hate the word products. It’s so sterile and cold and yuck. Pretty much all my associations are negative: factories, warehouses, executive suites, not to mention: more plastic junk the world doesn’t need …
Store? The word “store” is also annoying. Plus I think the shopping metaphor and associated terminology (“add to cart“, etc.) never translated well to the internet because buying something online is such a different experience than real-world “shopping”.
Yes, I’m aware that this ship has already sailed.
Still, it seems stupid to call something a store that has like, three items in it.
Tried calling it “resources”. Too vague.
Tried using “booth” for a while about a year ago but no one got it, obviously. Yes, I get that being clever is never a good idea. But I also don’t want to be lame. And “store” and “products” are kinda lame.
This is not about ‘improving sales”. Sales are fine. There is always room for improvement — such is the nature of business — but I’m certainly not complaining.
Yes, two people have written to me to say they couldn’t find my products, but coincidentally these were also two people who wanted me to consider switching to their shopping cart system. Grain of salt, yes?
I talked this over with the usual suspects (colleagues who do web consulting and copywriting) and they all said the same thing which was: “Whatever. ‘Stuff’ works for your audience, and you use it consistently. It’s the vernacular of what you do.”
But I’ve done some hard thinking.
And I really do want to be as clear as possible that hey, if you’re already looking for the place where you get to buy useful things that let you take this work home with you, here it is.
So … for now it’s the “store“. With what would be “airquotes” if we were “speaking”. (If that didn’t make you laugh, you need to spend more time at the “blog” of “unnecessary” quotation marks.)
And just so you know, in the “store” you’ll find my Emergency Calming Techniques package, the Procrastination Dissolve-o-Matic, a Starter Kit for hard-core yoga brain training work, and some amusing commentary from me.
I’ll be creating more good stuff for the “store” as time goes by, though I doubt there will ever be so many things there that it will lose its “quotation marks”.
Issue #4: “Habits blog”
And the last bit of navigation I was unsure about was the link to the blog.
Lastly, “Habits Blog” could use another title too. “Good Habits Blog” might be a better choice, as habits in themselves have a negative connotation and association.
This was interesting — and a good idea. I just don’t want to use it.
And here’s where I can finally draw on expertise rather than gut feeling, because now we’re completely in my area (habits) and not their area (websites).
There is no such thing as a good habit. I teach about how habits work and how to rewrite them, but I don’t teach about “good habits“. As far as I’m concerned they aren’t ever good or bad.
This is really a theme that deserves its own post, but let me just note that any habit that is unconscious and automatic, even if it’s a “healthy” one, needs some love and attention. I also have no interest in helping people kick their habits (ow!).
It’s not about good habits. There are no good habits. It’s about making the patterns behind your habits conscious so you can shift them when you want to.
I don’t know how to say all that in one word. Hence: habits blog. Yeah?
Bottom line: I don’t like “Good Habits Blog” one bit, but I do get that Men With Pens have a valid point about not confusing people.
Luckily, this is now a non-issue, thanks to a technical quirk. Having changed “Working together” to “How we work together”, there isn’t any room up there to qualify the blog. Which is fine. Blog it is.
The Men With Pens mantra: “Be clear, never be clever.”
I’m working on it.
It’s not that I want to be clever so much as that I want to be a. personable (in a real-live Betty Boop way) and b. not annoying.
These suggestions from our Men with Pens have given me lots of nutritious food for thought, and I will absolutely let you know where I go with this.
But for now … ideas? Suggestions?
A way to say “Is this you?” that’s clear and non-cliche? What about the “store”? Do I need to rename the blog or does it work as is?
And yes, I will feel as free to consider and then maybe ignore your wonderful, well-intentioned, thoughtful, insightful advice as I did with that of Men With Pens. That doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate the hell out of it, because I do.
Feedback: totally welcome and appreciated.
Let’s see… I’m going to brainstorm a little “with” you (see the airquotes?).
How about “You? | Me | Us?”
or “Are you sticky? | Making You UnSticky” (Ok, mostly that was just funny. To me.)
Instead of “store”, how about “the Shop”? It sounds all boutique-y. Or…
“The Habits Shop”
“The UnSticky Shop” (I keep picturing Jell-o).
“The Unstuck Duck Shop” (Ok, now we’re just getting silly).
Any of this helping?
Ohmygod Brandon, look what you’ve done! Now Selma totally wants her own boutique. This could be a disaster.
The Unstuck Duck … that’s hilarious. Actually, that should go on the back of the “What Would Selma Do” t-shirts …
Sorry, “t-shirts”.
re: Issue #3 —
Maybe the MWP didn’t get what “stuff” meant in that context because… well, I can’t think of a reason, but since your site may be perceived as dealing with personal-baggage-like-stuff, you might consider the title of GOOD STUFF. or even the bit-too-blatant BUY STUFF.
Havi! Sorry I missed you yesterday. Hopefully we’ll run into each other in meatspace soon. Here is some feedback on your nav:
1. I’ve never liked “Is This You?”, I don’t know why it’s so popular in the industry. If it were me, I’d name it “Who I work with”. Because that is what the page describes. But perhaps that sounds stand-offish to people. Maybe ask on Biznik and see if anyone has a better version?
2. When I read ‘the “store”‘, the voice in my head saying it sounds snide and self-deprecating. Like it’s not real enough to not be in quotes. Like the products don’t deserve to be called sell-able. Like you don’t believe in them yourself. I know you do, but that’s the connotation I get in my head from reading the phrase with the quotes.
Online, the word store in a link means “area of the site where you can buy things”. It doesn’t mean “I sell enough things to warrant a retail space at the mall”. So I would take off the quotes if it were me.
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Issue #1 – I like Brandon’s You?|Me|Us? — charming. Or maybe “Recognize This?” Although I never saw “Is this you?” on a blog or site before (just not my circle so it wasn’t a cliche to me) and I instantly knew what it meant (how else can it be interpreted?) so it was very clear; just no concern on my first visit (didn’t know what your site/blog were, just that Naomi mentioned you, then fell for the voice despite the subject.)
Issue #3 some more — I like the “The Shop” suggestion, since you’re presenting tools for sale that people use t (I gather) work on their stuff, so it also conveys a bit of a work shop place (as opposed to a workshop product — different animal.) In a “taking the old clunker down to the shop for a tune-up” way.
Issue #4 — disagree that ‘habits’ has a negative connotation or association… I think of them as my automatic habits like brushing my teeth, covering my mouth when I sneeze, facing my dollars the same way, and opening doors for the elderly. They started as choices. So I think of bad habits as choices that I haven’t changed for the better yet, but ‘Habits Blog” was clear — you blog about habits (and patterns) and the rest of your tag, headers and tabs make it clear that you’re not just talking about elbows on the table. But ‘Blog’ is clear, in a transparent way… the rest of your site seems so colorful that it seems a bit strident in contrast. I don’t like to throw the clever baby out with the murky bathwater, but if your spacing is dictating your voice in the tabs, those are the parameters you play inside. If you had time for “Blogification” I’d instantly get your voice and the facts.
Too bad your e-mailers don’t comment so we could all learn from you and them sharing here… and reduce your inbox and increase your comment numbers… If you’ve ever thought that too, maybe a line above the ’email me’ form that suggests they share in comments instead?
Thanks for letting us peek into your process – very interesting.
Interesting stuff, guys. Thanks for the thoughtful comments — I knew this was the right place to ask.
Hmm, shop. Shop by itself not so much. But “The shop” is kinda cute.
I definitely don’t think of The “Store” as self-deprecating. It hadn’t occurred to me that other people might. If anything I tend to think that my products are so ridiculously better than everyone else’s that I have to tone it down to not sound hype-ey and exaggerated.
Store for me sets off that feeling I get when I look up a meditation teacher I really like to get a bite of something to think about. And then their site is all “Buy now!” and it’s just kind of off-putting.
I want the products to be find-able for the people who really need them and need that help and support, but the store metaphor doesn’t work for me, even though it’s a convention.
Will think on that some more.
You’re all awesome for showing up and tossing your feedback into the mix. Love it.
I think the deal with convention is not that you should use it b/c everyone else does – but that your perception of “off-putting” might be unique to you and thus relying on that will not make the most usable site. I venture to guess that most of the folks looking at “The Store” would not think “off-putting over-selling” but “Oh hey I can buy things here”. I guess what I’m saying is your aversion to it might color the reality that the phrase “the store” may have very few connotations to most people. And since “most people” is who you are trying to make your site easier to use for…not yourself…that’s the point of using convention in web navigation. But anyway. You probably already have thought about this. OK, I am taking my web-usability-preaching hat off now.
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Haven’t read the comments because I suck. Also, I am a Very Busy and Important Person.
Love the “store”. Keep the quotes.
Love “sound like you?”. I am only visual and I am not weirded out by it.
Do not love “might be you?”. You’ve got it as a question but it doesn’t sound like a question. It sounds like something that should’ve been longer but you ran out of space.
I love me some advice giving. I should offer the same service as the Pen Men. Although I think I’d be too abrupt. I’d say things like, “Your website’s cool” or “Your website sucks rocks”. Then people would be all, “um, why?” and I’d be all, “don’t bother me I gave you your answer now fuck off”.
Thinking on it, maybe we’ll leave it to the Pen Men.
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LOL, maybe it’s ALL subjective.
I thought of this phrase: Habits Boutique
Although, that sounds like maybe you are selling habits.
I just have always wanted to use the word “boutique” in something to mean “store”.
Hmm.
Emma
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Hi, Havi! Coming a little late to the discussion, but I think that’s okay. Your posts about Men with Pens prompted me to engage their drive-by service for my own site. Why would I do that? As anyone who clicks through will be able to tell, I design and produce websites. Why would I ask for another producer’s opinion? Because you can never have too many eyes on what you’re putting out there, especially when the eyes are as acute as the Pen Men’s.
But the reason I bothered to comment here is that your navigation label dilemma is something that everyone who puts up a site and wants it to be GOOD struggles with. Most people don’t realize until they get into the process just how much subtle, almost-hidden bits of WRITING goes into making a site. The articles, the posts, the “stuff” is really only a part of it. Site titles are vital — every site should have a good descriptive title and a good descriptive subtitle. Navigation labels are second only to the site (and individual page) titles in importance. The Men are right-on that clarity is needed, but you’re right, too, that your own voice is important. You have a distinctive, disarmingly inarticulate style that puts your readers at ease. So while your labels may not be perfectly clear, they do carry your voice. Just my two cents.
@Lisa- This is great. Thanks so much for adding this!
I agree that voice is really powerful. Voice + clarity = ??? It’s a hard thing to nail, but I’m definitely having fun with it.